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Women and the commentariat

by Rodger Shanahan - 30 August 2011 3:37PM

The lack of female commentators in international relations has been raised this past week at the Lowy Institute. Between reading the papers, examining one's bellybutton lint, baiting civilian strategists and working out where to have lunch, conversation sometimes turns towards such issues. 

This time it began with a comment to our strategic communications manager regarding the paucity of female 'talent' for public lectures about international relations. Plenty of white, middle-aged males, but not many women who appear willing to write or talk about such issues in public fora. 

Here at the Lowy Institute, I think we do better than most. Want to know about China? Ask Linda Jakobsen. The South Pacific? Jenny Hayward-Jones. Nuclear issues? Martine Letts. Diplomatic under-representation? Alex Oliver. Foreign aid? Annmaree O'Keefe.

But other measures reinforce the perception of quiescence amongst the international relations sisterhood, even here at Bligh St. Want to come to a Wednesday Lowy Lunch? Chances are it will be a middle-aged bloke talking to you (I'm talking later this month, by the way). Visiting The Interpreter? Chances are you will be reading something written by a bloke. Op-ed, anyone? Probably submitted by a Lowy bloke.

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Women in IR: Respones to Shanahan

by Sam Roggeveen - 31 August 2011 9:39AM

Rodger Shanahan's piece on women in international relations commentary generated a number of comments on Twitter overnight, including from Anne-Marie Slaughter, who recommended this response from Caitlin FitzGerald.

It seems Caitlin suffered from the email problems I referred to earlier, so she could not reach me with her comment and decided to publish it on her own blog instead. Ordinarily, I would simpy link to such a piece, but given Caitlin intended it for The Interpreter, I'm going to reproduce the whole thing. More reader feedback to come.

I was troubled to read in your piece 'Women and the commentariat' the assertion that women are unwilling to write or talk publicly about international relations. From my perspective, there is no shortage of smart, educated, engaged women who would love to be a part of this ‘commentariat’ on issues of international relations, national security, defense, and a range of related issues. The problem is more one of opportunity.

Micah Zenko addressed this in a piece for Foreign Policy back in July, putting forth some possible explanations for the overwhelming dominance of men in foreign policy, drawn in part from interviews with women in the field, and sparked a very lively discussion on other blogs and on Twitter. Zenko spoke of unconscious cronyism among men, compounded by discomfort experienced by women in an overwhelmingly male setting. He spoke of the demands of the foreign policy schedule being harder to bear for women, who still bear the bulk of the weight when it comes to caring for the family. He also spoke of the ‘hard power’ vs ‘soft power’ dichotomy, which I think has some bearing in a few ways. Some women told Zenko that they felt women are more drawn to the ‘soft power’ side of international relations, but that ‘hard power’ issues – the traditional domain of men – dominate international affairs. I found this problematic in a few ways: 1) Plenty of women I know are very interested in ‘hard power’ topics, but can have trouble being taken seriously on them; and 2) both should matter anyway. As I put it to someone on Twitter during a discussion on Zenko’s piece, “As long as it’s ‘guns for men, humanitarianism for ladies – by the way, guns are the only thing that matters,’ we have an issue. Meaning that it’s both the gender roles of who does what, as well as the priorities being so one-sided that are at issue. Women should have a voice on hard power, men on soft power, and both should matter.”

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Reader riposte: Women and the commentariat

by Reader riposte - 31 August 2011 3:20PM

Jennifer Bennett writes:

It's hard to explain how I felt when I read Rodger Shanahan's blog post, 'Women and the Commentariat', on Tuesday, but I suppose we will stick with a mixture of exasperation and amusement, with a dash of 'No really good sir, have you been living under a rock?'.

Mr Shanahan has two central points: that there aren't enough women writing about matters of security (he posits a few ideas but appears to conclude it's because we poor delicate dears don't like commenting in public) and that there aren't enough women involved in the Arab Spring to write about.

What an unbelievable load of garbage. Let's start with point one: Where are all the lady security commentators? he asks. Could it be that there are fewer women in the field? Is it because female voices are discriminated against when the media goes to someone for a comment?

Both of these things seem reasonable to me — a female with a masters degree in international security who works in the media — but it seems that Mr Shanahan ditches these in favour of another suggestion: we just don't like speaking up in public! It seems he wrote a blog post on a similar topic last year and because no other women responded to his post with their own, this means we don't like public discussion!

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Reader riposte: Women and the commentariat

by Reader riposte - 1 September 2011 8:30AM

Susannah Patton writes:

All of the contributors to the Interpreter debate about 'women in international relations' in 2009 had one thing in common: they tried to point to something inherent in international relations that deters female participation. But the question of ‘women and the foreign policy commentariat' is slightly different. Rodger Shanahan's suggestion that women prefer alternative modes of communication is surely at least part of the reason for the gender imbalance in commentary.

Attending public lectures, I've noticed that no matter the topic (space exploration, foreign policy, economic policy), the first question, and then the second, and then the third, will probably be asked by a man. So it's not just in blogging where women are less represented than men. I wonder if this doesn't go to the 'male hubris, female humility' phenomenon, where women tend to underestimate their intelligence — or accordingly, the value of their contribution.

There are many, many outstanding women contributing to foreign policy commentary – as others have ably shown. But from my observations and experience (studying political science and now as a graduate working in foreign policy), my female peers and I tend to self-edit more than our male peers. It would be sloppy to infer from this that we're less interested or engaged in the subjects discussed.

Rodger Shanahan is not the enemy

by Sam Roggeveen - 1 September 2011 9:43AM

Yesterday's reader riposte from Jennifer Bennett was hostile and unduly personal in its attack on Rodger Shanahan, and it was a borderline decision to even publish it. But I figured it was better to air the email and rebut it rather than be accused of censorship. In any case, some of Bennett's arguments are so laughable that they reflect poorly on her while doing Rodger no harm at all.

The dreary, heavy-handed sarcasm about 'poor delicate dears' and 'delicate shimmering flower of Australian womanhood' is presumably meant to suggest that Rodger's piece is sexist. The debate over whether women might, as Rodger suggests, prefer 'more intimate modes of communication' is a legitimate one. To imply that it is sexist to even raise this possibility and cautiously endorse it, as Rodger did, is absurd. (BTW, some of Rodger's cautious language on this point was edited out at my request.)

Jennifer makes much in her email of doing basic research, but she evidently failed to take the few minutes required to look up Rodger's history on The Interpreter. We staged a debate in 2009 on women in international relations, and although there was broad agreement that the female perspective was under-appreciated, the only Interpreter writer — male or female — to actually do something about it was Rodger Shanahan, who produced a three-part series on women in Arab politics.

Rodger has also tried to deflate media alarmism about Muslim headscarves and female terrorists, and he's about to do another series on women in the Middle East.

Jennifer also says: 'Claims that there are no women writing about security are lazy and insulting to those who are and there is absolutely no excuse for making them.' True, no excuse, a sentiment Rodger presumably shares, since he made no such claim. 'Lazy' and 'insulting' are two words that come to mind to describe such misreading.

Jennifer's email addresses two substantive questions: (1) how do we explain the under-representation of women in the foreign policy commentariat?; and (2) what is the role of women in the Arab Spring? But with her high dudgeon and cheap theatrics (presumably intended to play to her Twitter gallery), Jennifer has done more to shut down these important debates than open them up.

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Reader riposte: Women and the commentariat

by Reader riposte - 1 September 2011 11:38AM

Linda Quayle writes:

Up to now, respondents have argued that there are plenty of (actual and potential) women IR commentators, but they are being overlooked. That’s true, and it’s a really good point. But there's something much more systemic happening.

Why are there so few women in the world's Parliaments? Why are there so few female CEOs? Why does my engineer husband have so few female colleagues? Why are there so few female motor-racing drivers? (A recent snapshot from the UK highlights some of these issues) 

Look around: We're just not anywhere we should be in the numbers we should be, even in states where discrimination has been outlawed for years.

Things are getting better. When I compare my opportunities with my mother's, we've made great strides. But they are not getting better anywhere near fast enough. And we all need to do some serious political thinking across the board on why that is. The classic response – 'there's nothing (legally) stopping them' – is just not delivering the goods.

Reader ripostes: Women and the commentariat

by Reader riposte - 1 September 2011 1:53PM

Please check out Security Scholar for their coverage of this debate, and see below for two reader responses, from Tim Dunlop and first, Jocelyn Woodley from the Centre for Strategic Studies at Victoria University of Wellington:

I'd like to thank Rodger Shanahan for re-introducing a perplexing topic and add my support to Susannah Patton's comments. Go to any seminar on international relations and you're likely to find most of the presenters and questioners will be male. The audience may show a more even male/female split, but it tends to be the male voices that you hear. 

There will be a range of reasons for that and it's a big ask to comment on the behaviour of an entire gender. But two possible reasons for the low profile of women in the international relations commentariat would be lack of time, or the constraint imposed by the type of jobs taken up by women with international relations degrees. 

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Now wait just a minute...

by Rodger Shanahan - 1 September 2011 4:53PM

I was going to go on with my 'Women in the Arab Spring' posts but thought that, given I am being used as an online Kewpie doll, it may be apposite to say a word or two. 

Before people start looking at my name and imputing gender bias and condescension, I would like to point out that the comment I referred to in my initial post about a lack of female international relations talent in the media sphere came from a woman. And the comment about a possible female predilection for 'direct communication' came from an entirely different (and well-credentialed) woman. 

My question was a serious one. It is acknowledged that we have plenty of well-credentialed female IR academics and practitioners (albeit unevenly distributed in certain fields), but relatively few high profile female IR commentators. That was the basis of my question. Why is this the case? Statistical anomaly? Lack of women in newsworthy areas of IR? Media bias? An unwillingness of women to adopt a high public profile? I am open to suggestions and a healthy debate on the issue.

On the ripostes received to date, I commend those from Caitlin, Jocelyn, Linda and Susannah, who actually attempted to address the substantive issue. I admit to not knowing about the Foreign Policy piece to which Caitlin refers, but it touches on some of the issues I hoped to raise. No doubting the number of capable women in the IR field, but why is the field (along with possibly economics) dominated by men to a much greater extent than others such as health, education, science, and medicine?

Writing from the US, it is to be expected that there would be more women commentators, as the talent pool is bigger. But I would be interested as to whether men still dominate the broadsheets, television and IR faculties in the US to the extent they do in Australia. Susannah's point is also worthy of further exploration. Are men more prominent because they are more comfortable in expressing their opinion in public, regardless of how worthwhile it may be?

As to Jennifer's riposte, she failed to answer the question I posed in the original post and again above. I know there are well-regarded women in the university IR field. I have heard of Sarah Phillips and greatly admire her work. If Jennifer had used Google she might have noticed that Sarah and I co-wrote a Lowy paper on Yemen a little while back.

I say nothing about the capabilities of women in the IR field. I have been taught by them, worked with them, they are well represented in the Lowy Institute and I rate them on their abilities the same as everyone else. It's just that they seem to have a much lower public profile than men — an issue raised with me by other women and not dreamt up by me during some morning tea break. Either disagree with this supposition or explain it, but at least try to address it. 

As for me, I'm going to talk about women and the Arab Spring.

Photo by Flickr user Robert.Nilsson.

Women in IR: Poor visibility, whose fault?

by Alex Della Rocchetta & Julissa Milligan - 2 September 2011 10:42AM

Alex Della Rocchetta and Julissa Milligan work on foreign and defense policy issues at the American Enterprise Institute.

This July, a flurry of articles — DC: City of Men, Still a Man's World? Foggy Bottom's Bohemian Grove, and The Feminine Realpolitik — sparked a discussion as to why men still dominate the upper echelons of the US foreign policy community. An impassioned discussion ensued; academics, practitioners, and journalists dished out heated opinions on Twitter, the blogosphere, and in our own think tank community, all attempting to explain this not-so-novel phenomenon.

In the latest posting on the subject, Rodger Shanahan provides his two cents. He observes that women are proportionately under-represented as public speakers, and argues that this may be because females prefer private, personal communication to public comment. Shanahan suggests that his own experience (receiving private emails rather than public comment in response to a blog post) supports the theory. After receiving some angry emails accusing him of being sexist, he reaffirmed his belief in women's intelligence and competence and reposes the original question: why are women less visible in foreign policy?

We take issue with Rodger's original post for two reasons. First of all, his argument narrowly defines visibility so as to exclude written work, the main currency in the IR field. Secondly, by suggesting that women prefer private to public comment, he places the blame for women's proportionately fewer public speaking engagements squarely on their own shoulders. This type of reasoning may perpetuate the stereotypes he is seeking to address.

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Matters arising from our debate

by Sam Roggeveen - 2 September 2011 3:29PM

This email from Olivia Kember deserves a response. My thoughts are below the fold:

I was very disappointed by your response to Jennifer Bennett. OK, her sarcasm was OTT, but you didn't rebut her arguments; you mainly attacked her style. And I think you repeated Rodger Shanahan's initial error — surely if you all agree 'the female perspective is under-appreciated' you go find some female views! If 'the only Interpreter writer to do something about it' was Rodger, perhaps your editorial team should do something more. After all, as one of Australia's leading foreign policy blogs you're extremely well-placed to encourage a greater diversity of opinion.

I'm sympathetic to Rodger's point that women may prefer 'more intimate modes of communication', if only because I agree with Susannah Patton's comments and I personally find dialogue more constructive than the solo microphone of an op-ed. But is it true? If so, would it help if the Interpreter's format were more conversational?

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Reader riposte: Prosperity depends on women

by Reader Riposte - 7 September 2011 12:18PM

Jess Hodder writes:

Your debate on women and the foreign policy commentariat inspired me to write a post on the Security Scholar blog calling for gender issues to be addressed more seriously. In my opinion, female underrepresentation in influential fields such as foreign policy is far from the only problem caused by social attitudes towards women and their role in society.

In 2010, The Economist dedicated an issue to 'Gendercide: the worldwide war on baby girls'. It graphically discussed the well-known problem of female infanticide and sex-selective abortion in China, often seen to be a direct consequence of the one-child policy, however it placed this phenomenon in the context of similar trends in north-west India, South Korea, parts of the former Soviet Union and in the Chinese diaspora, which it says are the result of traditional preferences for sons combining with the desire for smaller families and being facilitated by the greater availability of pre-natal screening. The skewed sex ratios that result have the potential to cause considerable political instability as the number of men unable to find wives in traditional family-centred societies inexorably rises.

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Reader riposte: Women and the commentariat

by Reader riposte - 7 September 2011 3:19PM

Alison Broinowski writes:

It is interesting to see that, as The Interpreter's debate progresses, it is morphing from 'women in international relations' into 'women in strategic policy'. In Australia the two camps are divided by a glass curtain, with more young women in one nowadays, and more men of all ages, as always, in the other. Human rights, development, peace and culture one one side, wars and intelligence on the other. This also appears in the foreign affairs areas of government, universities, and think tanks. 

A similar apartheid used to apply in politics, the church, the media, medicine, law, science, and business too, and to some extent it still does. Men's clubs don't readily break ranks unless forced to by law or the economic bottom line. They always find reasons not to: such as 'the good women just don't come forward', or 'the hours we work don't suit women', or (if they're honest) 'women would change everything and we like it the way it is'.

Sam asks how to attract women to the blog. Here are some suggestions: 

  • Change your caption pic to something less gender-exclusive.
  • Make it transparently clear how one gets to become a blogger or a guest blogger, as distinct from a reader riposter.
  • Try to look less like an in-house conversation with each other.
  • If you invite women to speak out, don't form defensive ranks around the blokes when they do. They can look after themselves.
  • Be alert for words that sound like anti-female dog-whistle: shrill, strident, hysterical, hostile, humourless, high dudgeon, forgotten sex. There are plenty of non-loaded alternatives to use.
  • For a trial period at least, include as many items in each blog by women as men, even if you have to invite them.
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Reader riposte: Beyond 'genderisation' of IR

by Reader riposte - 15 September 2011 8:43AM

Nina Markovic, a PhD candidate in Political Science, Centre for European Studies, Australian National University writes:

A month before the Women in Political Science Caucus meeting at the Australian Political Science Association conference in Canberra, Roger Shanahan's piece on the Lowy Interpreter blog has triggered a fresh debate on the question of female commentators and their visibility in international relations. Women leaders from all walks of life have joined this conversation since then. The debate spans several blogs now (Lowy Interpreter, Security Scholar, Women in Political Science, and others), and commentary about it has also appeared on Twitter and Facebook.

While Australia has its first female Governor-General and female Prime Minister, gender-specific stereotypes about women in political life continue to permeate public discourses and influence public perceptions. These are evident, for example, in the distasteful criticism of the PM's dress sense and hairstyle in The Australian and other newspapers, which would hardly be the case for a male PM.

Few women in strategic studies in Australia have achieved such prominence as Professor Corall Bell, one of Australia's finest strategists and visionary political scientists. Her recent interview on Asia's strategic future probably did not receive as much mention in the domestic political commentary on Asian affairs as the research work of her colleagues. The question which looms in the debate on women in political science and strategic studies is whether Australian female political scientists are better recognised in the international arena (both in terms of visibility of their work and personal exposure) than in Australia, and if so, why this might be the case.

Some notable examples of women leaders in political science in Australia include:

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