Here's a delightful chat between two history buffs, one of whom happens to be the Australian foreign minister, Bob Carr, who was at the Lowy Institute on Wednesday to launch Lowy Institute Executive Director Michael Fullilove's new book, Rendezvous with Destiny.

Interesting to hear Michael suggest a comparison between Roosevelt's task of getting Americans to focus on the Atlantic with Obama's 'pivot' towards Asia, a topic which Carr unfortunately does not pursue...